Bungi Bill

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  The denial of 1975 when and how did they go about it.

  by Crazyguy in

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  2. scandals

  i was pretty young in 1975, all i remember was a few complaining at the hall after and those at the door that razed us over it.

  does anyone remember how they went about denying it and when this started.

  i do remember a scripture in psalms about people being mighty and living longer so this was used.

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  Bungi Bill

  For quite a period there was just silence; almost like they hoped if nothing more was said about 1975, then just maybe people would quietly forget the matter. In fact, according to Raymond Franz in Crisis of Conscience, that is what at least one Governing Body member strongly suggested doing.

  Also in that same work, Raymond Franz readily admitted that when an apology was finally made (in 1980 - i.e. five years afterwards), it was a very watered down one!

  Other than that, over the years the WTS/GB has continued to deny the obvious about what they said and wrote in the years leading up to 1975. (One example of many comes to mind at a Circuit Assembly late in 1974. The District Overseer delivered a talk, in which we were cautioned about being "too" dogmatic about this date. However, he then completely undid what he had just said, by the concluding sentence of his talk, in which he loudly stated "But We Still Stand By Our Date of 1975!!!!!" )

  Needless to say, that remark brought a burst of applause from the audience. Bloody fools the lot of us!
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  White clean shaven man runs over muslims

  by silentbuddha in

  1. social
  2. current

  so in england they report a "white clean-shaven man" mowed down worshippers at a mosque.

  why do they never make such detailed descriptions when muslims do the same?.

  i hope this event isn't a bad turning point.

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  ISIS could only be described as "Fascist" in the loosest possible use of that term - i.e. as a general political swear word. Otherwise, ISIS bears very little resemblance to Fascism.

  Professor Roger Griffiths (University of Wales) in his An Intelligent Person's Guide to Fascism, describes the term as being, to quote, "the most misused, and overused, word of our times".
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  What is behind your choice of forum user name?

  by stuckinarut2 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  just curious how we all think.. what prompted or influenced your choice of username for this forum?.

  there are some really amazing names, and it would be great to hear the stories behind them.... mine was nothing fancy.

  i just felt "stuck in a rut too" along with so many others.

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  Bungi Bill

  My alias was intended to be something of a geographical pointer.

  In the part of the world where I grew up, "bungi" is a local word for a tree fern. I never did mind too much if people were able to identify me on here - they would just have to think a little "outside of the box" in order to do so!
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  What is the biggest sexual scandal to hit the top of JW tree ?

  by Chook in

  1. jw
  2. experiences

  elders ,co ,do ,branch overseers ,gb ,missionaries has "sinful" lust got the better of them..

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  Bungi Bill

  Finkelstein,

  
  
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  Road Sweeper vehicle ploughs into JW Carts

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in newcastle town centre.

  uk.. the chronicle live.

  15 june 2017.. a council worker will stand trial after he was accused of being drunk at the wheel of his road sweeper in newcastle city centre.. john paul carruthers, who has since resigned from his post at newcastle city council, was allegedly over the legal drink-drive limit when he ploughed into a jehovah’s witness stand on northumberland street near to haymarket metro station.. prosecuting, james long told newcastle magistrates’ court: “the allegation is that he was driving a newcastle city council road sweeper when he collided first with a jehovah’s witness stand next to haymarket metro station.

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  Bungi Bill

  All levity aside, operating machinery while under the influence of alcohol or drugs is a very serious matter.

  We all ought to be thankful that nobody got killed or injured during this incident.

  I must admit, though, it is rather hard to bite back a chuckle or two about this machine's automated "litter sensing" equipment, and the way it went for a literature stand!
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  Fidel Castro and the WT

  by Hecce in

  1. watchtower
  2. beliefs

  i am going to engage on a trip to the past and share with you some of the matters that marked the beginning of the jws persecution in cuba.

  you will be surprised that the pattern that was followed is very similar to what happened in other dictatorial countries.. in the cuban case, i am going to surprise you and tell you that like what happened with hitler; the wt was partially responsible for their clash and confrontation with the cuban government.

  during the early 60s the revolution was fighting for survival and they were willing and ready to demolish any perceived enemy to their cause.. a prime example was their war against the catholic church that was the most influential religious entity in the country; it took the supreme leader only a few public discourses to send the vast majority of clergy packing and back to their country, in this case spain.. the jehovah’s witnesses were an insignificant minority but they over estimated their importance and displayed a belligerent attitude, it was known that this was a us based religion and an easy target to connect them with the cia.

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  Bungi Bill

  One can't help but note that the 1960 Awake talked like the communist movements all over the world were under the direct beck and call of Moscow. In fact, this was by no means the case. Not even all of Eastern Europe was under the direction of the Soviet Union:

  - e.g. Yugoslavia had very much "done its own thing" from the word go, and Albania gravitated towards the Peoples Republic of China.

  Furthermore, by 1960 (if not before) China had very much parted company with Moscow.

  So much for Crazy Fred's ideas about "The King of the North"! (Though to be fair, he wasn't the only one misled by ideas about the "Communist Bloc" being led by the Soviet Union. Richard Nixon and Henry Kissinger both had deluded ideas about being able to get the Soviet Union to "call off" the North Vietnamese, and thus end the Vietnam War).
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  Road Sweeper vehicle ploughs into JW Carts

  by darkspilver in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  in newcastle town centre.

  uk.. the chronicle live.

  15 june 2017.. a council worker will stand trial after he was accused of being drunk at the wheel of his road sweeper in newcastle city centre.. john paul carruthers, who has since resigned from his post at newcastle city council, was allegedly over the legal drink-drive limit when he ploughed into a jehovah’s witness stand on northumberland street near to haymarket metro station.. prosecuting, james long told newcastle magistrates’ court: “the allegation is that he was driving a newcastle city council road sweeper when he collided first with a jehovah’s witness stand next to haymarket metro station.

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  Bungi Bill

  Was the guy down on the ground because the police threw him there before placing the handcuffs on him, or was it because he had fallen down dead drunk, I wonder?

  Either way, it looks like the only injuries suffered were to one or two people's egos!
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  Do you think the general public cares about former Jehovah's witnesses?

  by Christian Gutierrez in

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  2. friends

  i was wondering if you guys think if the general public cares about our stories or if they even care what the watchtower does to people??

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  Bungi Bill

  It is rather difficult to imagine that the "general public" even knows the existence of such persons as "former" JWs:

  - and even more difficult to believe that they might actually care!

  Health Professionals who are engaged in the counselling, psychology and similar fields, though, may be a different matter. Although the Jehovahs Witnesses make up only about 1/1000th of the world's population, they are very much over-represented amongst the patients of such professionals (This, according to a number of such counsellors that I have known) .
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  Why Do People Join Cults? A TED Talk -- JW's to a T

  by daringhart13 in

  1. jw
  2. friends

  https://youtu.be/kb-djacxaxa.

  great video for showing how to define a cult.

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  Bungi Bill

  Interesting that "cults" are not limited to religious groups!
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  More scullduggery in the New World Translation?

  by NikL in

  1. watchtower
  2. bible

  i was reading in jude last night in the esv bible.. i came across this little gem as i was falling asleep and woke right up.. jude 1:5.

  5 now i want to remind you, although you once fully knew it, that jesus, who saved a people out of the land of egypt, afterward destroyed those who did not believe.

  jesus who saved a people out of egypt?

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  Bungi Bill

  steve2,

  Add to what you have just said the observation David_Jay has made on other posts that the religion did not come as a result of the scriptures, but rather the other way around. That is, the religion was already well established before the writings were completed.